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Stealthr4v3r
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:22 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Steve's thread on webpage work made me curious.

What sorts of prices do artist charge for their art? Say something like, draw me a cool picture of a <blank> or i need a cool looking icon for my porn folder...
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:48 am Reply with quoteBack to top

It depends on how talented/experienced the artist is, on whether they keep rights to the art or whether you'll get all or partial rights, and on how elaborate you want the artwork to be. There's an immense range.

Personally, for a logo I'd charge about $80-100/hour. Depending on how much the person wants to have a lot of back and forth and how much detail they want, the logo could take 2 - 10 hours.

An illustration could run you under a hundred to thousands of dollars. For my level of expertise I'd charge about $100 for a custom drawing if I kept the rights. I'd charge a couple hundred if I gave away rights enabling the buyer to possibly make thousands off of my image (using it for advertising or to sell a book or whatever).

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:56 am Reply with quoteBack to top

wow, this blows my mind. the $80-100/hour rate is higher than some contract laborer rates. My firm charges $110/hour for engineering(which includes tailor software for reports, data collection), $75/hour for CAD. Marketing and advertising firms used to charge <$75/hour, but I see now that some are charging as high as $375/hour.

Again, perfect example of over-priced technical skills. Where does competition actually hit the computer programming market? If you priced yourself lower, starving computer programmers could get work. Or is advertising still stuck in the idea that some professional company has to do the work?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:02 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

check this one

if correct, the $33k/yr salary for a web designer is <$16/hr., with the firm charging ~$100. if you could go solo, and earn $50k/yr with a steady billing of 40hrs per week, you charge ~$24/hr. So, with you charging $100/hr, do you hope to only work 10 hours a week as an average to cover your $50k self-employed selves?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

High_Lord_Galen wrote:
check this one

if correct, the $33k/yr salary for a web designer is <$16/hr., with the firm charging ~$100. if you could go solo, and earn $50k/yr with a steady billing of 40hrs per week, you charge ~$24/hr. So, with you charging $100/hr, do you hope to only work 10 hours a week as an average to cover your $50k self-employed selves?


Well, you need to add in time for sales, marketing, buying updated computer equipment and software and manuals to keep up with the latest technology which is constantly changing. And then there's fixing computer problems, spending money to chase down deliquent payments, blah blah blah.

I think that working alone would be at least the same amount of work - except that I'd have to be good at and improving my skills at finances, programming, sales, etc. rather then being able to focus everything on art, html, and flash.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

well the first problem is filling in those 40 hr/week. It takes a while to build up that much of a client base so you need to make your money when and where you can.
The other problem is paying for all those other little things that companies pay for like hardware, software, medical benefits, taxes etc.... these are the types of things that boost the prices. Its also why I charge my friends who I work for under the table much less than people I do contracts for and claim on my taxes.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:29 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hmm...what I was trying to say is not coming out right, but I was curious about christi's arguement. With improved skills across the board, would that cause you to raise your hourly rate more or less than improved art skills would raise your hourly rate? Think about yearly raises for a firm when you answer this question.

My arguement was purely numbers, but let me explain more of my question. At $50k for self-employed and $33k for salaried, it would give $17k for additional costs, whether it be computer parts, health insurance, supplies, etc. As these are expenses, your net salary before taxes would still be $33k, so that is assumed to not be grossly affected by value change in social security, federal, and state taxes.

Ok, start-ups are always tricky, especially when you are the only person trying to drum up business. My question again is, with $100/hr, is the goal to work only 10 hours per week to cover the same income as you would working 40 hours a week for the mean of $33k/yr? If you understand my question, you will start to realize the break-even value of your currently salary vs. self-employed working at a given hourly rate. If this still does not make sense, then I will mind my own business and keep theories to myself.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

High_Lord_Galen wrote:
If this still does not make sense, then I will mind my own business and keep theories to myself.


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You should come to Uty's School of Debate

All you have to do is repeat the same assertion over and over again. Once it has been debunked with logic and rigor make an emotional outcry. Then resort to name calling and threats.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:26 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I don't know if I'd charge more for improved artistic skills then I would html or any other skill. If I was brilliant with the html and javascript, then I could probably charge tasty high prices (perhaps on a sliding scale to allow smaller businesses to get good design though, I'm a softy like that), same with art.

I don't know about the other peeps, but if I could make $50K per year working 10hrs/week somehow, I'd not be stopping at the 10 hrs - I'd be shooting for the 40 hrs/$200K *drools*

I think that answers your questions...

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:26 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

The problem is the risk / reward of going out on your own. If you are good at selling and have many contacts, it could be worth it. However, 9 of 10 businesses fail within the first year. It is usually better to get a good reputation, then go out on your own when you can take a client base with you, no matter what industry you're in.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:55 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Stealthr4v3r wrote:
Steve's thread on webpage work made me curious.

What sorts of prices do artist charge for their art? Say something like, draw me a cool picture of a <blank> or i need a cool looking icon for my porn folder...


I see threads on the SA forums about twice per month where people take requests for random images to be created with a variety of media. Typically, they're doing it for fun, and throw something out in an hour or two. Also, typically, the person who requested it will offer to buy it via paypal for $20-40 including shipping.

Here is a great recent example.

[edit]Keep in mind, this is non-commercial in the extreme, but I think that may have been what you had in mind?[/edit]

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

eddie_baby wrote:
The problem is the risk / reward of going out on your own. If you are good at selling and have many contacts, it could be worth it. However, 9 of 10 businesses fail within the first year. It is usually better to get a good reputation, then go out on your own when you can take a client base with you, no matter what industry you're in.


i am certainly familiar with that risk. i odn't feel like explaining all my business stuff right now, but i can tell you one thing.... the more money the better.

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