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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:39 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I have found a new open-source toy, Hercules the IBM System/390 emulator.

http://www.conmicro.cx/hercules/

Today during lunch I installed a functional copy of the MVS operating system, including time-sharing access, on a "handme-down" Compaq server.

The emulated mainframe sure starts faster than any of the real IBM mainframes did 20 years ago!

Hopefully I will get the COBOL and FORTRAN compilers installed this weekend. Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:23 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Reliving your glory days, eh? VIVA LA MAINFRAME!

Gonna write your own MCP?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:10 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Actually, I am investigating making a change to the CISC260 Assemly Language course. The publisher is discontinuing the text we use (SPARC-based).

No one in their right mind programs in SPARC assembler, but their is still demand for IBM z-Series mainframe assembler programmers. And the mainframe assembler has lots of neat macros for structured programming. So I am talking to IBM about letting us run their current versions of the z/OS and programming products under Hercules.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:47 am Reply with quoteBack to top

MajorKong wrote:

No one in their right mind programs in <snip!> assembler...


Fixed Wink

Seriously though, I thought the point of 260 was just to get students to understand what the computer is really doing and how nice it is to have modern compilers? Anyway I loved 260! All those happy hours aligning data on the stack... good times Smile

I think it would be cool to have a mainframes course. Maybe in addition to 260? IBM certainly needs to do something to expand the base of mainframe programmers. They are all retiring!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:27 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Stealthr4v3r wrote:
MajorKong wrote:

No one in their right mind programs in <snip!> assembler...


Fixed Wink

Seriously though, I thought the point of 260 was just to get students to understand what the computer is really doing and how nice it is to have modern compilers? Anyway I loved 260! All those happy hours aligning data on the stack... good times Smile

I think it would be cool to have a mainframes course. Maybe in addition to 260? IBM certainly needs to do something to expand the base of mainframe programmers. They are all retiring!


I represent that remark! Rolling Eyes

Yes, I agree. For example, there is an estimated 8 BILLION lines of COBOL code in production with about 500 million lines added annually.

Yet it is not offered at UDel in spite of having two different MIS degree offerings. Fourth-generation languages - nope (unless you want to count Access, chuckle). Using a real production database and programming ennment to write real applications would be useful for the MIS students (akin to cisc475 for the CS majors).

If we had a real OS like zOS available, students could do real systems programming work in cisc360 instead of the bogus shell-writing exercise that we have been using for years.

[exit soapbox mode]

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